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	<updated>2026-05-13T23:12:14Z</updated>
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		<title>Woozle: post-move tweak</title>
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		<updated>2013-04-13T20:30:32Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;post-move tweak&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 20:30, 13 April 2013&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Problem==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Problem==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Dishonest &lt;/del&gt;participants may repeatedly raise spurious objections solely for the purpose of keeping the correct conclusion in a state of presumed falsehood.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;In a [[structured debate]], dishonest &lt;/ins&gt;participants may repeatedly raise spurious objections &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;(&amp;quot;counterpoint spam&amp;quot;) &lt;/ins&gt;solely for the purpose of keeping the correct conclusion in a state of presumed falsehood.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is similar to the technique of [[issuepedia:throwing spaghetti|throwing spaghetti]], although in this context it doesn't matter if the spaghetti &amp;quot;sticks&amp;quot; as long as it takes more time to &amp;quot;clean up&amp;quot; than to &amp;quot;throw&amp;quot;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is similar to the technique of [[issuepedia:throwing spaghetti|throwing spaghetti]], although in this context it doesn't matter if the spaghetti &amp;quot;sticks&amp;quot; as long as it takes more time to &amp;quot;clean up&amp;quot; than to &amp;quot;throw&amp;quot;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Woozle</name></author>
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		<title>Woozle: Woozle moved page Rational debate/frequent spurious objections to Structured debate/counterpoint spam without leaving a redirect: reorganizing these pages so they make sense</title>
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		<updated>2013-04-13T20:29:03Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Woozle moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/index.php?title=Rational_debate/frequent_spurious_objections&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Rational debate/frequent spurious objections (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Rational debate/frequent spurious objections&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Structured_debate/counterpoint_spam&quot; title=&quot;Structured debate/counterpoint spam&quot;&gt;Structured debate/counterpoint spam&lt;/a&gt; without leaving a redirect: reorganizing these pages so they make sense&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Woozle</name></author>
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		<title>Woozle: Created page with &quot;==Problem== Dishonest participants may repeatedly raise spurious objections solely for the purpose of keeping the correct conclusion in a state of presumed falsehood.  This is...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2013-02-24T18:39:17Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;==Problem== Dishonest participants may repeatedly raise spurious objections solely for the purpose of keeping the correct conclusion in a state of presumed falsehood.  This is...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Problem==&lt;br /&gt;
Dishonest participants may repeatedly raise spurious objections solely for the purpose of keeping the correct conclusion in a state of presumed falsehood.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is similar to the technique of [[issuepedia:throwing spaghetti|throwing spaghetti]], although in this context it doesn't matter if the spaghetti &amp;quot;sticks&amp;quot; as long as it takes more time to &amp;quot;clean up&amp;quot; than to &amp;quot;throw&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
==Solutions==&lt;br /&gt;
* Each of these objections can be answered in turn, until the dishonest participant (DP) runs out of new ones.&lt;br /&gt;
** Unlike in other debate formats, or informal debate, objections are not forgotten; they remain easily findable until they are answered.&lt;br /&gt;
* In practice, it may be helpful or necessary to provide a mechanism whereby any participant can request a popular vote to curtail the activity of a DP. Possible proposals include:&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;This argument is a repetition of an argument already refuted.&amp;quot; This should be accompanied by a link to the duplicated argument.&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;The person making this argument is not engaging in honest debate.&amp;quot; This should be accompanied by specific accusations.&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;This argument is verbal nonsense.&amp;quot; -- for cases where the DP is typing random words or characters in order to flood the system with objections.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It should be a relatively simple matter for the system to keep track of such violations and provide a &amp;quot;DP&amp;quot; rating for every participant -- which would further harm their ability to convince others of their agenda.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Woozle</name></author>
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